Q&A: Why sell books on Amazon, when eBay's fees are lower?

QUESTION: I'm new to bookselling, but have been collecting for years. I need to start clearing some space. I've been selling in an antiques mall booth, and researching the different online venues.
My calculations show Amazon is one of the more expensive sites. I used a benchmark of selling 50 books a month for $10 each:
Amazon fees (non Pro-Merchant) = 50 x .99 = 49.50
Amazon commissions = .15 x 500 = 75.00
Amazon total = 124.50
eBay fees = 50 x .60 = 30.00
eBay commissions = .0525 x 500 = 26.25
eBay total = 56.25
I am working on a function to show the graduated fee structure of eBay, but it should show much slower increase than the straight fees Amazon charges, regardless of the book's selling price.
Have I missed something? Is there some advantage to being on Amazon, besides lists, customer reviews, etc.? Both sites show up on Bookfinder.com. I feel that an honest book seller, who does everything they can to accurately describe and picture collectible books on eBay can do just fine, yes?
Also, I can show as many pictures of a book as I want on eBay, participate as a Buy-it-Now seller, through timed auction and through live auctions.
ANSWER: You raise some good observations.
All the major online bookselling sites keep a generous share of the proceeds, but I believe it's a fair trade. Those sites attract the customers that enable us to operate a business with no advertising expenses, and practically no risk. Compare that to running a brick-and-mortar bookstore, or selling in an antiques mall, where you must pay the rent whether you make any sales or not. If there aren't enough sales, you're out of business -- and in debt to boot.
Also, it's quite likely your profitability would be better running an online store. Your costs per square foot can be much lower with an online store, of course, and you have access to the worldwide market.
As to Amazon versus eBay, I concede that eBay today is a superior selling venue for certain types of books -- particularly collectibles that require pictures of the actual book and a detailed description of the condition, faults, etc.
But I'd argue that for most booksellers with general stock, Amazon allows you to sell at a higher volume, at a higher velocity, and with less customer-service issues than eBay. The time you spend hand-selling each commodity book on eBay costs you time, and time is money too.
So if you calculate your time and aggravation, you might find that Amazon is cheaper, depending on your particular business.
For example, a couple of years ago I did a little experiment -- on the books I had in quantity (I also sell new books) I listed my inventory on both Amazon and eBay. On eBay, I used a Buy-it-Now price close to my "like new" price on Amazon. On some of the cheaper books I auctioned them starting at 1 cent.
I did this for about four months, and was able to generate about $1,500 to $2,000 in revenue from eBay per month -- a fraction of my take from Amazon, but then I didn't have nearly as much inventory listed on eBay.
But I was surprised to find out that my costs -- eBay fees, PayPal fees, etc., added up to nearly 10 percent of the revenue I was getting out of eBay. My assumption going into my experiment was that eBay would be a bit higher-maintenance although cheaper -- but it wasn't. eBay was nearly as expensive, and required much, much more specialized attention than Amazon. There were many more customer inquiries (most of them idiotic, such as questions about shipping terms that were clearly explained in the listing, and "where's my book?" e-mails when I'd already e-mailed a shipping confirmation with a tracking number. I tried to keep things simple by accepting only U.S. PayPal transactions, but this resulted in constant inquires from customers around the globe who wanted to send checks, money orders, wire transfers, or cash).
To be sure, Amazon produces problems customers, but on a per-capita basis I got three times as many headaches from eBay sales -- and non-sales. So I didn't think that the slight savings in fees on eBay justified the extra time and aggravation. I probably could have fined-tuned my eBay selling to get the costs down a bit, but just didn't have the motivation.
But, like I said, your mileage may vary. I don't have that many collectible books. If I did, I'd be happily hawking my wares on eBay.
All this is not to say the average seller should ignore eBay. Even though I don't prefer it, I think eBay is a valuable counterweight to Amazon. It's a decent alternative, and that every seller should have an active account there and stay current.
I don't like putting all my eggs in one basket, and don't recommend it for anyone. And if I ever need another basket, it'll probably be eBay.











10 Comments:
One point I feel was not stressed was listing fees. On Amazon, a book is listed until it sells with no fees. On Ebay each listing costs you money whether it sells or not. Especially with new Ebay Store fees, they can quickly add up.
Most of my ebay customers use PayPal to pay for their items. That's roughly another 5% to the cost of doing business. If you sell a lot of books, it gets to be quite a chore to keep track of checks (which you want to have clear the bank before shipment), money orders, and the inevitable cash in the mails.
As Steve said, there is much more customer service involved with ebay. Just this morning, I had two email inquiries about international shipping. WHich means I have to locate the book, weigh it, look up the shipping cost, and email back. I will continue to get email throughout the day about past or present auctions.
I sell on both ebay and Amazon. Amazon is amazingly easy and quick. I've only been selling there for a few months, and I am very happy with the ease of lising, and pace of the sales. So far, I've only had TWO Amazon customer emails the whole time I've been selling there! As Steve says: "Time is Money".
I couldn't do without the two venues. I put my more mainstream stuff on Amazon, and anything collectable, antique, or unusual on ebay. One of the good features ebay has, is that one can do a keyword search that turns up all sorts of items. A lot of my customers have found my items that way. I have sold books on ebay for several dollars which were going for 1 cent on Amazon, simply because I was able to create an interestting title for my auction.
I hear Amazon is going to widen their platform to include a better way to sell collectables, so we'll see whassup. I am looking forward to my first Amazon conference in Seattle next month. Seattle is a much classier place to have a conference than ebay's choice of Las Vegas. As an ebayer since 1999, Amazon is impressing me more every day.
Your assumptions about eBay Auctions do not take into consideration the abysmal sell-through rates on eBay. In my experience only one third of the items listed on eBay sell on the first time around. Relisting fees can quickly eat up profits. Books need to have lengthy market exposure before someone comes along who will buy them. eBay does not offer that unless you are willing to list and relist until the right buyer finds the item.
Lahana is also right about PayPal fees. About 80% of eBay buyers will pay for their items by PayPal. PayPal charges sellers 2.9% of the total amount including shipping charges plus a 30 cent transaction fee. If you sell on eBay you need to take this cost into consideration.
My thoughts:
Listing 300 books to sell 50 in a month assuming Buy-It-Now pricing. You could sell all 50 on eBay with auction but would likely average less than $10.00
Amazon fees (Pro-Merchant) =39.95
Amazon commissions = .15 x 500 = 75.00
Amazon total = 114.95
eBay fees = 300 x .60 = 180.00
eBay commissions = .0525 x 500 = 26.25
eBay total = 206.25
Amazon listing do not expire as long as you are a pro merchant.
Amazon collects money verses PayPal or other payment.
IMO Amazon attracts more book buyers than Amazon. This may vary for different markets.
I welcome expert comments about my assumptions. I am not one. Listing 300 books is an assumption. How many do you think it would take to sell 50?
Pictures
Has anyone used the picture option on Amazon? How difficult is it to post a picture? Is There a listing with an example?
Hey Steve. I ordered you book. Where is it: )? I ordered new form Amazon.
A few of my thoughts...
I have a brick-n-mortar store and Amazon.com..occasional ebay. I have yet to find a person that does not know of Amazon.com. Most of the "personal" sites that have added book sales to their site sell the book via Amazon.com (like Steve). I list predominately on Amazon.com. Previously I sold on Half.com and Alibris.com. During my time with Alibris.com most of my sales were with Amazon.com customers. Amazon.com sells books. Their fees are justified by their marketing, site friendliness, credit card processing, and their position as the On-line leader of the Internet Book world.
I do use ebay auctions on occasion for some sets and very collectable items. I agree too much time creating listings, packaging, answering inquiries, waiting to be paid, high costs of listing selling and processing sometimes very slow to come payments.
Most titles, including titles dating to the 1800's will now list on Amazon...WITH a picture or set of pictures at no cost! Yes, listing pictures..multiple pictures is free for any person with an account on Amazon.com. I also, do not delete my pictures after the items sells. Pictures sell! I am always hopeful I won't have to spend the extra five minutes or more adding a picture, that maybe someone else has already added one, but if there isn't one I take the time.
Here is one of my listings with a picture: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00085OKFI/103-4696718-8396634?n=283155
This may be getting of the main topic, but I'm confused by the numbers that I'm seeing. I am a pro-merchant on Amazon and I appear to have a different rate structure:
15% of books selling price
$1.23 flat rate for each book sold
So if a book sells for $10.00, I pay the following:
$1.50 Commission
$1.23 Flat Rate
$2.73 Total Cost
Is the flat rate fee unique to me or do others pay it also?
Flat Rate fee is coming off of the Shipping charge that Amazon chrages the customer, not of fthe price of the book
In my view the comparison is incomplete. It is very unlikely as mentioned to sell all items in auction at eBay's. Depending on the % of items sold your inserting fees could vary considerably. If you sell 25 %, your inserting fees are 4 times higher per item sold. Also, at eBay's you have the auction option of generating extra revenue thru the bidding process. So, the negative fixed cost factor of the inserting fees can be more than compensated thru the extra income. This leverage factor works only in a booming market. Under sluggish conditions (low percentage of items sold and very little extra revenues generated) it works just the other way round: unreasonable high fees of 40 or 50 % plus PayPal.
Ebay/Paypal fees can be more or less than Amazon depending on the price you set your auction at. If you open an "EJoke" store on Ebay, you are now almost guaranteed to pay higher commissions than Amazon.
For Collectibles, Ebay is a better venue to sell using auctions, simply because of the picture services provided. For long term listings I would use Half.com . For all other books, Amazon is the way to go. Amazon gets more traffic. I also notice that I get higher prices for items on Amazon. This makes up for any higher fees.
Ebay now has Half.com where you pay no listing fees, listings only expire when an items sells or you cancel it, they take care of payment processing (no PayPal required-just a credit card & bank account), shipping is flat rate determined by product type, you are reimbursed for your shipping charges (they build a s&h margin into the reimbursement over what the actual shipping charges should be), you pay a small commission when a book is sold (frequently less than the difference between actual & reimbursed shipping charges). They deposit your proceeds into your bank account twice a month. It is a great way to sell books that do not require pictures. I have been using it for a while now and it works quite well for me.
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