August 20, 2007

Getting reimbursed for Amazon A-to-Z Guarantee claims

If you've been selling on Amazon for a while, you've probably received at least one dreaded A-to-Z Guarantee claim. This is the mechanism that enables Marketplace buyers to get their money back if they don't receive their merchandise, and the seller refuses to refund.

Sometimes, of course, the customer who files the A-to-Z claim has made a mistake. Often they've actually received their merchandise, and sometimes they receive it soon after filing the claim. Because of this, Amazon allows customers to withdraw their claim and have their card re-charged by responding to this language in the refund e-mail:

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Occasionally, we have found that the product eventually arrives after the claim is reimbursed. If you have received this order, please let us know by replying to this e-mail and placing an 'X' in the box below. If you are unable to place an 'X' in the box below, you are welcome to simply reply to this message and confirm that the merchandise has been delivered. Your confirmation of receipt will provide us with authorization to withdraw the claim and recharge you for this order.
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If only it were that simple. A reader, Lawrence, says it was a nightmare getting reimbursed by Amazon after a customer in Italy used this procedure to withdraw an A-to-Z claim for an expensive book. Lawrence had to write several angry e-mails before getting his money back. His story:
I sold a book to a nice Italian fellow and shipped it out the same day. Eleven weeks later, the customer reported to me he had not received the book. He filed a claim about 10 days later, and I refunded his money (about $40).

Last week the customer sent me an e-mail stating the book finally arrived, and he was very happy with it. He replied to Amazon's A-to-Z Guarantee e-mail (and CC'd me) and put the "X" in the box to authorize recharging his credit card. Very honest fellow!!

Several days later I inquired with Amazon.com to ask when I should expect the money in my account. They stated that the customer, while acknowledging that he had received his book, had to authorize the recharging of his card by "calling" their 800 number customer service line. I replied with the copy of the e-mail he had sent me.

I got stonewalled for another week by the Amazon reps. I continuously sent messages to every avenue possible on the Web site and through email, specifically pointing out that the customer had already given permission when he first replied to them. Finally, a third or fourth rep finally wrote to me stating that I would receive my money.
Here's the subtle e-mail that finally dislodged the funds from Amazon:
GREETINGS:

I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO BE WRITING TO YOU AGAIN AND AGAIN. I POINT OUT THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY SET UP A PROCEDURE TO RECHARGE MR. [DELETED]'S CARD THROUGH THE E-MAIL PROCESS, OF WHICH THE CUSTOMER ALREADY INITIATED. I DID NOT INVENT YOUR "PROCEDURE". NOW YOU ARE TELLING ME HE HAS TO CALL AMAZON.COM PERSONALLY BEFORE YOU WILL CHARGE HIS CARD? THAT IS NOT WHAT I READ IN THE E-MAIL THAT HE SENT BACK TO YOU, AND I DO NOT BELIEVE I SHOULD HAVE TO MAKE THAT REQUEST OF HIM. BY MARKING THE "X'', HE AGREES TO ALLOW YOU TO CHARGE HIS CARD. NOW, AM I JUST PLAIN IGNORANT, OR ARE YOU INVENTING, ON THE FLY, A NEW REQUIREMENT? I DO NOT SEE WHY I NEEDED TO BE INVOLVED IN ANY OF THIS.

THIS IS PREPOSTEROUS.
Before hearing this story from Lawrence, I hadn't known that buyers could easily have their card re-charged for the purchase amount. That seems to be a good reason to send all customers who claim non-receipt to A-to-Z first, instead of refunding directly. Unless, of course, Amazon has inserted some hidden requirement into this process, such as the customer having to "call" an 800 number. (Lawrence also suspects that a language barrier with the Amazon reps might have contributed to the confusion.)

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7 Comments:

Blogger the bookfinder said...

I've always been able to get out of losing money on A-Z claims by proving I actually shipped the merchandise. In reading this, I wonder why Lawrence wasn't able to do the same? Or maybe I'm just naive...

8/21/2007  
Blogger Steve Weber said...

bookfinder,

It's very possible that Amazon had already, automatically restored the funds to Lawrence, but he was never able to get Amazon's customer support reps to verify this. Perhaps the reps fell down on the job because:

1. They didn't read Lawrence's question

2. They didn't research the question

3. They didn't understand the question

Lawrence's impression was that the reps had very limited English skills.

8/21/2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A-Z is getting a LOT worse. Over the years I've had several A-Z claims. The majority have been granted... but paid by Amazon. When they ask for shipment details, I've simply provided the endicia shipment details and that has been enough to convince them that I actually shipped the book.

Last week, I received another 'request for shipment details' for an A-Z claim. On this one, I wasn't worried at all. I had purchased delivery confirmation that showed the book was delivered 2 days after it was shipped.

On Friday last week, they ruled in favor of the customer AND debited my account for the cost of the book.

I called Amazon Seller support and they said that you can not call the A-Z department, you can only e-mail them.

So, I've twice e-mailed them... and they just don't respond.

This seems to be not only against their policy (even the newly tightened policy) but must violate the law on some level.

Is Amazon doing so poorly that they now need to steal from sellers?

8/21/2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This week I had a very similar experience to the previous poster. I always buy delivery confirmation and provided the details regarding the claim by a buyer. This was the first time I was held responsible for a claim when the delivery confirmation shows "delivered". While I'm not overly concerned about this transaction itself (the book was only $30 and considering the volume I do, this isn't a huge expense) but I am concerned about shipping higher-valued books. Tomorrow I'm shipping one worth $263 and will, of course, buy signature confirmation and insurance. Will that be enough to withstand an A-to-Z claim?

In my view there is a new liability to selling books on Amazon. If things continue in this direction I will seriously consider selling elsewhere.

8/22/2007  
Anonymous treebeard said...

as of november 2006 amazon changed their a-z policy so that delivery confirmation is no longer considered proof of delivery and they will always grant the customer the refund if the only proof you have is the DC. we started using signature confirmation but everyone should be aware of two things:

1) one of the first times we used signature confirmation the post office didnt bother to get a signature when they delivered it!

2) two people high up at amazon told me that they will "initially" deny an a-z claim that we supply signature confirmation. that wording leads me to believe if the customer screams they take our funds away

8/22/2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The customer is always right." Even if they lie through their teeth. As much as that sucks, that is part of the cost of doing business. I too have had a book delivered with D.C. and still had A-Z go through and funds reversed. Yes, it is not fair nor right, but the old adage stands firm. I wish my old brick and mortar store had a theft-loss ratio of less than one tenth of one percent like I have here on Amazon.com.

8/22/2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My concern is that customers cheating the system become an epidemic. I seriously hope Amazon looks at a buyers history (number of transactions, number of claims filed, granted, etc) before granting in their favor. If the burden is always on the seller, this seems one-sided. I've been selling on Amazon for about 3-4 years. There have been about 10 claims filed against me, all granted (even though I only had to reimburse on 2-3 occassions). Does Amazon ever deny claims? The numbers from my standpoint look like they don't.

8/22/2007  

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